JUJU. AND WE KNOW YOU'LL TRACK OF IT. >> THANKS, AARON. >> THANKS, AARON. AND FOR MORE THIS STORY, I'D AND FOR MORE THIS STORY, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME JOHN KATKO, LIKE TO WELCOME JOHN KATKO, FORMER REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN FORMER REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN FROM NEW YORK AND FORMER FROM NEW YORK AND FORMER ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY. ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY. >> HEY, JOHN. >> HEY, JOHN. HI, HOW ARE YOU? HI, HOW ARE YOU? I'M. I'M. >> WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE >> WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU SPENT 20 YEARS FACT THAT YOU SPENT 20 YEARS IN THE U.S. ATTORNEY'S. IN THE U.S. ATTORNEY'S. THESE ARE SOME PRETTY THESE ARE SOME PRETTY INCRIMINATING CHARGES IN. INCRIMINATING CHARGES IN. THE INDICTMENT, EVERYTHING FROM THE INDICTMENT, EVERYTHING FROM THE GOLD BARS TO STACKS THE GOLD BARS TO STACKS OF MONEY. OF MONEY. HE'S CALLING IT A SMEAR HE'S CALLING IT A SMEAR CAMPAIGN. CAMPAIGN. BUT THE OBJECTS NOT GOOD. BUT THE OBJECTS NOT GOOD. >> YEAH, THE BEST WAY TO COMBAT >> YEAH, THE BEST WAY TO COMBAT THAT TYPE OF ARGUMENT IS LOOK THAT TYPE OF ARGUMENT IS LOOK AT THE FACTS. AT THE FACTS. AND THE FACTS LAID OUT IN THE AND THE FACTS LAID OUT IN THE INDICTMENT ARE STUNNING. INDICTMENT ARE STUNNING. AND WHEN I WAS DOING CASES, IF AND WHEN I WAS DOING CASES, IF I HAD GREAT FACTS, LAID THEM I HAD GREAT FACTS, LAID THEM OUT IN THE INDICTMENT, SO FIRST OUT IN THE INDICTMENT, SO FIRST THING THE JURY HEARS AT THE THING THE JURY HEARS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE TRIAL IS GOING BEGINNING OF THE TRIAL IS GOING TO BE THE FACTS, THE FACT TO BE THE FACTS, THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE MONEY IN HIS THAT THEY HAVE MONEY IN HIS CLOSET WITH DNA EVIDENCE, CLOSET WITH DNA EVIDENCE, HIS CO-DEFENDANTS TO HAVE A CAR HIS CO-DEFENDANTS TO HAVE A CAR IN THEIR GARAGE, IT WAS PAID IN THEIR GARAGE, IT WAS PAID FOR BY CODEFENDANT. FOR BY CODEFENDANT. THEY HAVE TEXT MESSAGES. THEY HAVE TEXT MESSAGES. THEY HAVE PHONE CALLS. THEY HAVE PHONE CALLS. IT'S A PRETTY RECITATION IT'S A PRETTY RECITATION OF THE EVIDENCE SET FORTH OF THE EVIDENCE SET FORTH IN THE INDICTMENT. IN THE INDICTMENT. ABSOLUTELY THE GOLD BARS ABSOLUTELY THE GOLD BARS WITH THE SERIAL NUMBERS WITH THE SERIAL NUMBERS ARE QUITE TELLING. ARE QUITE TELLING. TELL US ABOUT THE SERIOUSNESS. TELL US ABOUT THE SERIOUSNESS. >> THESE CHARGES. >> THESE CHARGES. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ACCEPTING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ACCEPTING BRIBES IN EXCHANGE FOR WIELDING BRIBES IN EXCHANGE FOR WIELDING POLITICAL INFLUENCE. POLITICAL INFLUENCE. WELL, I THINK ABOUT THAT. WELL, I THINK ABOUT THAT. HE'S HEAD OF THE SENATE FOREIGN HE'S HEAD OF THE SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE, THE TIME RELATIONS COMMITTEE, THE TIME HE'S DOING THIS. HE'S DOING THIS. THAT IS A VERY POWERFUL AND A THAT IS A VERY POWERFUL AND A VERY IMPORTANT JOB, ONE OF VERY IMPORTANT JOB, ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT IN ALL THE MOST IMPORTANT IN ALL OF CONGRESS, BECAUSE YOU'RE AT OF CONGRESS, BECAUSE YOU'RE AT THE POINT PERSON FOR FOREIGN THE POINT PERSON FOR FOREIGN RELATIONS IN WASHINGTON RELATIONS IN WASHINGTON AND YOU'RE MISUSING AND YOU'RE MISUSING THAT POSITION. THAT POSITION. >> THAT'S VERY BAD. >> THAT'S VERY BAD. AND WE'RE TALKING AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EGYPTIAN INTERESTS. ABOUT EGYPTIAN INTERESTS. YES, POTENTIALLY. YES, POTENTIALLY. POTENTIALLY EGYPTIAN INTERESTS POTENTIALLY EGYPTIAN INTERESTS . . AND THEY'RE INTERVENING AND THEY'RE INTERVENING AND HELPING SOME EGYPTIAN AND HELPING SOME EGYPTIAN INTERESTS WITH CONTRACTUAL INTERESTS WITH CONTRACTUAL THINGS THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THINGS THEY'RE TRYING TO GET ACCOMPLISHED. ACCOMPLISHED. >> AND YET HE HAS BEEN FACING >> AND YET HE HAS BEEN FACING CHARGES BEFORE OF CORRUPTION CHARGES BEFORE OF CORRUPTION 2018. 2018. THAT CASE ENDED IN A MISTRIAL THAT CASE ENDED IN A MISTRIAL AFTER. AFTER. THE JURY FAILED TO REACH THE JURY FAILED TO REACH A VERDICT ON ALL COUNTS. A VERDICT ON ALL COUNTS. COULD THE PREVIOUS ACCUSATION COULD THE PREVIOUS ACCUSATION HANG OVER THIS INDICTMENT, HANG OVER THIS INDICTMENT, PERHAPS FROM AN EVIDENTIARY PERHAPS FROM AN EVIDENTIARY STANDPOINT, IF HE TAKES STANDPOINT, IF HE TAKES THE STAND AND SAYS SOMETHING THE STAND AND SAYS SOMETHING CONTRARY TO WHAT THEY KNOW CONTRARY TO WHAT THEY KNOW HAPPENED BEFORE, BUT THE HAPPENED BEFORE, BUT THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS WOULD STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS WOULD PROBABLY PREVENT HIM FROM PROBABLY PREVENT HIM FROM RESUSCITATING THOSE CHARGES, RESUSCITATING THOSE CHARGES, BUT IT WILL BOX HIM IN TO BUT IT WILL BOX HIM IN TO SOME EXTENT ABOUT TAKING SOME EXTENT ABOUT TAKING THE STAND WITHOUT FACING THE STAND WITHOUT FACING CROSS-EXAMINATION ON THESE CROSS-EXAMINATION ON THESE ISSUES. ISSUES. IT'S A POTENTIAL THERE'S A LOT. IT'S A POTENTIAL THERE'S A LOT. THERE'S THE COURT OF PUBLIC THERE'S THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION. OPINION. THERE'S CLEARLY THE CRIMINAL THERE'S CLEARLY THE CRIMINAL FEDERAL COURT, BUT THERE'S ALSO FEDERAL COURT, BUT THERE'S ALSO THE THE CONGRESSIONAL SORT THE THE CONGRESSIONAL SORT OF AUTHORITY. OF AUTHORITY. >> YOU SPENT TIME IN CONGRESS, >> YOU SPENT TIME IN CONGRESS, AND RIGHT NOW HE'S BEEN ASKED AND RIGHT NOW HE'S BEEN ASKED HE'S STEPPED DOWN AS CHAIR HE'S STEPPED DOWN AS CHAIR OF THE SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS OF THE SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE. COMMITTEE. CHUCK SCHUMER SAYS HE DESERVES CHUCK SCHUMER SAYS HE DESERVES DAY IN COURT. DAY IN COURT. AND YET THE GOVERNOR OF NEW AND YET THE GOVERNOR OF NEW JERSEY, HIS HOME STATE, JERSEY, HIS HOME STATE, IS ASKING FOR HIM TO RESIGN. IS ASKING FOR HIM TO RESIGN. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF ALL THAT? WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF ALL THAT? WELL, CHUCK SCHUMER'S GOT WELL, CHUCK SCHUMER'S GOT A HEADACHE ON STAND. A HEADACHE ON STAND. DON'T FORGET, THE DEMOCRATS DON'T FORGET, THE DEMOCRATS ONLY HAVE A 5148 MAJORITY OR ONLY HAVE A 5148 MAJORITY OR 49 MAJORITY IN THE SENATE. 49 MAJORITY IN THE SENATE. AND SO IF MENENDEZ IS GONE AND SO IF MENENDEZ IS GONE AND IT GETS REPLACED BY A AND IT GETS REPLACED BY A REPUBLICAN, COULD CHANGE REPUBLICAN, COULD CHANGE THE DYNAMIC IN THE SENATE. THE DYNAMIC IN THE SENATE. SO I THINK THE GOVERNOR OF NEW SO I THINK THE GOVERNOR OF NEW JERSEY IS PROBABLY SMARTLY JERSEY IS PROBABLY SMARTLY SAYING, LOOK, I'M A DEMOCRAT. SAYING, LOOK, I'M A DEMOCRAT. LEAVE NOW. LEAVE NOW. SOMEBODY CAN REPLACE AND PUT SOMEBODY CAN REPLACE AND PUT ANOTHER DEMOCRAT IN YOUR PLACE ANOTHER DEMOCRAT IN YOUR PLACE TO FINISH HIS TERM. TO FINISH HIS TERM. SO WE'LL SEE HOW THAT SO WE'LL SEE HOW THAT ALL SHAKES OUT OVER THE NEXT ALL SHAKES OUT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. COUPLE OF WEEKS. BUT LIKE I SAID, THE EVIDENCE BUT LIKE I SAID, THE EVIDENCE THAT IS KNOWN TO THE PUBLIC THAT IS KNOWN TO THE PUBLIC IS PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL. IS PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL. AND THAT'S SOMETHING NOT SURE AND THAT'S SOMETHING NOT SURE THEY HAVE BEFORE. THEY HAVE BEFORE. AND I'M GOING TO BE AND I'M GOING TO BE INTERESTING. INTERESTING. IT ALL PLAYS OUT THE NEXT IT ALL PLAYS OUT THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS AT THE HE'S UP COUPLE OF WEEKS AT THE HE'S UP FOR REELECTION NEXT YEAR. FOR REELECTION NEXT YEAR. >> YET THIS INDICTMENT IS A >> YET THIS INDICTMENT IS A BOMBSHELL. BOMBSHELL. IT IS A BOMBSHELL TO, SAY IT IS A BOMBSHELL TO, SAY THE LEAST, FOR THE SENATE THE LEAST, FOR THE SENATE AND FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. AND FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. WELL,